I think it's kind of a donut-hole thing: people who have very little to lose and people who have enough to support themselves more or less forever have the easiest time doing risky things, but people in the middle who would be ruined by a criminal record's effect on their employment have the hardest time.
I mean that being said, most of the "people who have very little to lose" still play it pretty safe anyways and rarely do anything politically/socially risky. Would you agree?
Sort of? Like, the percentage of people doing prosocial yet risky stuf is small, but most of the people doing it are in fact the ones with very little to lose. Almost all the animal activists I know who do anything at least as "risky" as a boisterous disruption are unemployed or are working in low-skill, easily-replacable positions that don't really bother with background checks.
Thanks, yeah makes sense. But I guess I'm not sure why that's important. Like, I would do a "bayes flip" here: It's not really important how many courageous do-gooders are wealthy, but rather how many wealthy people are courageous do-gooders. And I would guess it's a tiny single digit percent. So my conclusion would be that Lincoln being an exemplar for them is a worthy endeavor. Does that make sense?
Totally, agreed. My point was that he's making the category error of putting normal, well-off tech workers in the same bucket as someone like him who could live a fairly good life even if he never made another dollar from conventional employment. Again, I agree with you and him that this is to be lauded and encouraged and am not making a simple base rate error
Heck ya! Totally agree about the value of embodied ways to advocate for animals. Bearing witness to such places changes us and, in my experience, increases our capacity to use our voices and resources skillfully (and often with greater generosity). Inspired by you, Wayne, and others today.
I think it's kind of a donut-hole thing: people who have very little to lose and people who have enough to support themselves more or less forever have the easiest time doing risky things, but people in the middle who would be ruined by a criminal record's effect on their employment have the hardest time.
I mean that being said, most of the "people who have very little to lose" still play it pretty safe anyways and rarely do anything politically/socially risky. Would you agree?
Sort of? Like, the percentage of people doing prosocial yet risky stuf is small, but most of the people doing it are in fact the ones with very little to lose. Almost all the animal activists I know who do anything at least as "risky" as a boisterous disruption are unemployed or are working in low-skill, easily-replacable positions that don't really bother with background checks.
Thanks, yeah makes sense. But I guess I'm not sure why that's important. Like, I would do a "bayes flip" here: It's not really important how many courageous do-gooders are wealthy, but rather how many wealthy people are courageous do-gooders. And I would guess it's a tiny single digit percent. So my conclusion would be that Lincoln being an exemplar for them is a worthy endeavor. Does that make sense?
Totally, agreed. My point was that he's making the category error of putting normal, well-off tech workers in the same bucket as someone like him who could live a fairly good life even if he never made another dollar from conventional employment. Again, I agree with you and him that this is to be lauded and encouraged and am not making a simple base rate error
Oh yeah, makes sense. Cool thanks for the discourse.
Heck ya! Totally agree about the value of embodied ways to advocate for animals. Bearing witness to such places changes us and, in my experience, increases our capacity to use our voices and resources skillfully (and often with greater generosity). Inspired by you, Wayne, and others today.
As a kid, this is exactly what I thought I’d be doing when I grew up. Thank you for the reminder that it still can be.
Such a great piece, I’m excited to follow along!
Awesome man! 💯 Walkin the walk